warrior hammer build help - Guild Wars Forums

Lexi · Oct 26, 2009, 06:28 AM // 06:28

Hey everyone!

im trying out a hammer build with my warrior and i want some opinions on what i should use. This is for PvP.

I have a PvE build thats earth shaker elite, works great, but not so great PvP.

Soooo any help would be great!

turbo234 · Oct 26, 2009, 06:44 AM // 06:44

it would help if you would post the build otherwise this would just be considered asking for a build.

Lux Aeterna · Oct 26, 2009, 06:57 AM // 06:57

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:W/an...Hammer_Warrior
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:W/an..._Smash_Warrior

Um any hammer build you make is going to end up looking like those, also Earthshaker is pretty terrible in pvp except for HA.
Protector's strike is my favorite optional by far.

Kendil · Oct 26, 2009, 07:53 AM // 07:53

The warrior specific section of the campfire can probably help you more, I think this thread belongs there. (link=http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=210) Anyways it will help a lot if you post your current build.

Dev hammer work wonders (at least for RA, but I can imagine it works on many places, as I've seen it in GvG, AB etc. thought, I havn't tested).

imnotyourmother · Oct 26, 2009, 04:40 PM // 16:40

It takes way to long for the adren to build up for a great hammer build. When I tried this and I would just get ready to use my elite skill... BAM I get interrupts all over the place. I would just die and it would bite. The attack speed of the hammer is the slowest of all the weapons. Its a horrible death trying to get adren and yelling at the screen, "MAD UOY MAD UOY" (reverse the letters.. you get the idea...

The high damage output looks good but the end result is pathetic. I never once knocked anyone down. So I changed to ele shrine Blaster

MagmaRed · Oct 26, 2009, 06:14 PM // 18:14

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Originally Posted by imnotyourmother

It takes way to long for the adren to build up for a great hammer build. When I tried this and I would just get ready to use my elite skill... BAM I get interrupts all over the place. I would just die and it would bite. The attack speed of the hammer is the slowest of all the weapons. Its a horrible death trying to get adren and yelling at the screen, "MAD UOY MAD UOY" (reverse the letters.. you get the idea...

The high damage output looks good but the end result is pathetic. I never once knocked anyone down. So I changed to ele shrine Blaster

OP, I'd ignore this post I quoted. He apparently doesn't know how to play a Warrior very well, and his build may not have been very good. As noted, asking in the Warrior forum will get you better answers, but don't ask for a build, post your build and ask for advice to improve it.

Hammer does attack slower than other weapons, but that doesn't mean you can't get the needed adrenaline to use the high cost skills. There are adrenaline boosting skills like For Great Justice and Mark of Fury, as well as increased attack speed skills to allow you to attack faster. Read over the stickies in the Warrior forum of the Campfire to get some ideas, then as if you have questions still.

uzumaki · Oct 26, 2009, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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Originally Posted by imnotyourmother

It takes way to long for the adren to build up for a great hammer build. When I tried this and I would just get ready to use my elite skill... BAM I get interrupts all over the place. I would just die and it would bite. The attack speed of the hammer is the slowest of all the weapons. Its a horrible death trying to get adren and yelling at the screen, "MAD UOY MAD UOY" (reverse the letters.. you get the idea...

The high damage output looks good but the end result is pathetic. I never once knocked anyone down. So I changed to ele shrine Blaster

lmao.

That's because you're incredibly bad. You're better off sticking to Ele and just spamming your spells on recharge. It makes me sad as a hammer war enthusiast to read ignorant crap like that.

FYI you can build adren at range with a furious spear or with enraging charge or with both, with the latter you can max out your adren in one spear throw. You can also use an ias to build adren quickly not to mention skills like lions comfort and mokele smash if you're bad. If you're being interrupted use an IAS before you kd to reduce activation time of skills. Hammer attack speed is slow for a reason, balance. Hammer attacks have the highest damage output and the hammer mastery attribute has access to the most kd's.

A hammer warrior is only as good as the person controlling them and the end result can be devastating , pun intended! Stick to kd'ing people with meteor lol!

Edit:

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OP, try this template code. It's a standard hammer bar but it works wonders. 5th slot is optional but i always take d blow because i love to interrupt.

Lexi · Oct 26, 2009, 07:17 PM // 19:17

Sorry i should posted my skills!

Earth shaker
crushing blow
enraging charge
bulls strike
counter blow (i'd like to lose this too)
For Great Justice (saw pvp version...)
belly smash
also
healing breeze. yes i know this is bad. i stopped using if for a bit then went back to it. It seems no one expects me to have it or use it so i have got away with it a lot. Saved my butt.

I also use this build for PvE and love it, got bored and wondered over to PvP and realized it could use some help/input. Esp since i may be in pvp more often now!

feel free to rip it apart, i see i need it!

moreover, i agree with you guys, a warrior is only as good as the one controlling it. i rather love my hammer build. i did win a few and hold my own in PvP but i know it can be better. I also dont mind how slow the hammer is, i have a pimped out one. I can post it later. Right now im at work and did this off memory, no GW here!

Lexi · Oct 26, 2009, 07:18 PM // 19:18

i also did post this in the other one...didnt see that one before. New here sorry!

Lux Aeterna · Oct 26, 2009, 09:24 PM // 21:24

Just use the devastating hammer build I linked you to, it's very similar but much better.
If we give you tips and improve your current build it will end up looking like the wiki builds already posted (this is what happened with my original unique hammer build), so it would be faster for you to just become an expert in playing the standard hammer bar before coming up with your own.

Devhammer --> KD locks unprotted targets for like 60% of the time, inflicts weakness on melees
Magehunter's --> Deadly to Guardian spamming monks, harder to use than Dev but interesting
Earthshaker --> Only useful in a large group of enemies, where it shines
Backbreaker --> Long duration KD but end result is worse than dev
Enraged Smash --> Turbo Bull's Strike, fuels costant hammer bash spam, energy intensive

imnotyourmother · Oct 27, 2009, 01:12 PM // 13:12

So um, I see that people are ganging up on my post saying that I do not know how to run my war. MagmaRed at least said that it attacks slower but what no one has said is about the interrupts. All it takes is one and your buggered.

I got my build off of the PVX but because everyone can see your skills as you fight in AB or JQ they just wait and see your hammer elite and then interrupt you right there. I never got enough adren to use my hammer. the attack time is pathetic, You will never kill a ranger or a assassin.

A sword build is way better or even an axe build.

If hammer builds were so great they would atleast have had a hammer skill in presearing.

This is what I would like to see, go and try their builds in AB or JQ and see if you can actually get the elite skill off on a foe. you might be able to get it off on an ele but if they use one just one lightning bolt on you...your interrupted and your build is now useless as you have to build up that adren all over agian. To waste 2 skill slots on adren just to try and get enough to get that elite off should tell you something. What other profession do you see that with just to make a weapon work? NONE.

Also once they see that hammer...they flock RIGHT TO YOU. They are like.. look noob using a hammer build.

Try this again then if they say that the war hammer build is so great. Go in and look for a war on the opposite side and just watch their skills. I will bet you 100K that they are not..NOT using a hammer build cause they are way to easy to interrupt, require way to much adren and attack way to slowly. Try and kill a hydra with a hammer in hard mode.

Why do you think that there are so many sins and ele in the pvp areas? Cause they can do Massive damage in a short amount of time. Before you even get enough adren the ele has you knocked down and your just dead...and they are standing above your pathetic corpse dancing on your head laughing at your stupidity.

MagmaRed · Oct 27, 2009, 02:08 PM // 14:08

Yeah, I've never had a Hammer Warrior destroy me in AB with Devastating or Mage Hunters. And nobody in GvG would use a hammer....

Wait.... those statements are all lies..... Hammer is very powerful. You just need to know how to use it. If you get interrupted you don't know how to use it very well. The problem is that Axe and Sword builds generally require less 'skill' to run. Hammer has several knockdown options, but many of them have clauses like "must be weakened" or "lose all adrenaline". This means you need to know when to use which skills. That doesn't even take into consideration quarterknocking.

MuleGoon · Oct 27, 2009, 02:09 PM // 14:09

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Originally Posted by imnotyourmother

If hammer builds were so great they would atleast have had a hammer skill in presearing.

Hammer Bash is gained in Pre-Searing.

imnotyourmother · Oct 27, 2009, 02:32 PM // 14:32

I have never used Hammer Bash in Pre-Searing cause I never even thought that there is a skill there. turns out..there is!

Well my lvl 19 war with lvl 19 Fire imp in pre using a Glacial Blade of Charrslaying 15-22 damage +18% Vrs Charr and a Tall shield with 12 armor +28 Heath and +9 Armor vs Charr with a lvl 20 strider has never used Hammer Bash cause it must be useless in preseaing compared to the synergy of Gash and sev art and frenzy.

So what is not mentioned still, and my main complaint about the Hammer builds is
1) Very slow attack time = Less DPS
2) High Adren Costs and slow build up because of 1)
3) Interrupts - http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ancestor%27s_Visage

Yes Hammer has the highest possible damage at 35 compared to axe and sword. But you have to be ALIVE to use it.

So to answer the Original question about PVP build for war is...
I do not know. I have died many times with much frustration trying to stay alive long enough in AB to get to use the Elite skill. I have tried all of the PVX builds and then settled on sword and tank builds (health above 1200)

I have a tank build that I made that I can give you for PvP. Everyone will start to attack you at first, then when your heath pops to over 1200 everyone will just leave you alone.

I normally use my tank build to slow down the other teams shrine capers by teasing them into attacking me as I run directly at them. I can stay alive for about 45 seconds and transfer my conditions to them as I run Necro secondary and use plague sending to stop my bleeding.

This is very effective cause the other 3 in my group can kill the foes as I hold the agro.

This is a Killer build in PvE to I just run in.. stand there...and watch everything die as my team mashed everything.

After a few games of AB with this build 99% of the people will not even attack me and that is when I change my build for some killing fun with a sword build.

turbo234 · Oct 27, 2009, 02:34 PM // 14:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by imnotyourmother

So um, I see that people are ganging up on my post saying that I do not know how to run my war. MagmaRed at least said that it attacks slower but what no one has said is about the interrupts. All it takes is one and your buggered.

I got my build off of the PVX but because everyone can see your skills as you fight in AB or JQ they just wait and see your hammer elite and then interrupt you right there. I never got enough adren to use my hammer. the attack time is pathetic, You will never kill a ranger or a assassin.

A sword build is way better or even an axe build.

If hammer builds were so great they would atleast have had a hammer skill in presearing.

This is what I would like to see, go and try their builds in AB or JQ and see if you can actually get the elite skill off on a foe. you might be able to get it off on an ele but if they use one just one lightning bolt on you...your interrupted and your build is now useless as you have to build up that adren all over agian. To waste 2 skill slots on adren just to try and get enough to get that elite off should tell you something. What other profession do you see that with just to make a weapon work? NONE.

Also once they see that hammer...they flock RIGHT TO YOU. They are like.. look noob using a hammer build.

Try this again then if they say that the war hammer build is so great. Go in and look for a war on the opposite side and just watch their skills. I will bet you 100K that they are not..NOT using a hammer build cause they are way to easy to interrupt, require way to much adren and attack way to slowly. Try and kill a hydra with a hammer in hard mode.

Why do you think that there are so many sins and ele in the pvp areas? Cause they can do Massive damage in a short amount of time. Before you even get enough adren the ele has you knocked down and your just dead...and they are standing above your pathetic corpse dancing on your head laughing at your stupidity.

after several hours of testing and research me and my group of scientists have come to the conclusion that you're baed. hammer is probably the easiest to charge up. enraging charge+furious spear is pretty much stapled to every hammer war. and if you get rupted then you're being wayyy to predictable. stop running up to people right after getting adrenaline charged and mashing buttons.

imnotyourmother · Oct 27, 2009, 03:27 PM // 15:27

So, there you go OP.

Here is the information that you requested. Just ignore my posts and do what the others suggested.

GL & HF

Lux Aeterna · Oct 27, 2009, 05:43 PM // 17:43

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Originally Posted by imnotyourmother

I got my build off of the PVX but because everyone can see your skills as you fight in AB or JQ they just wait and see your hammer elite and then interrupt you right there. I never got enough adren to use my hammer. the attack time is pathetic, You will never kill a ranger or a assassin.

Worst GW player right here.

Also hammer is stronger than either axe or sword, and not very vulnerable to interrupts unless you're dumb or being inted by a top10ish ranger.

Braxus Warmonger · Oct 27, 2009, 09:07 PM // 21:07

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Originally Posted by Lux Aeterna

Worst GW player right here.

Also hammer is stronger than either axe or sword, and not very vulnerable to interrupts unless you're dumb or being inted by a top10ish ranger.

AGREED!!

I use a hammer build when I'm in AB, RA, TA, or HA quite often. In AB I use a W/R with Melandru's Resiliance for health management and as a cancel stance for Flail. Yes, if I get interrupted I'm screwed. (Every build has it's weakness.) But I still knock-lock most enemies and can kill them with 1-2 skill chains and if they're dumb enough to use a lot of conditions Melandru's makes me virtually unbeatable.

For 4v4 Arenas (RA and TA) I run a W/E with Shock as a no adrenaline KD to interrupt or begin a chain. (i.e. Enraged Charge>>Shock>>Pulverizing Smash) Just find a chain that has 2-3 KD skills and a little bit of healing and IAS and/or IMS.

Oct 26, 2009, 06:28 AM // 06:28	#1
Lexi Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Oct 2009 Profession: W/	warrior hammer build help Hey everyone! im trying out a hammer build with my warrior and i want some opinions on what i should use. This is for PvP. I have a PvE build thats earth shaker elite, works great, but not so great PvP. Soooo any help would be great!

Oct 26, 2009, 09:24 PM // 21:24	#10
Lux Aeterna Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: RAH Guild: Close Enough [XVII] Profession: W/A	Just use the devastating hammer build I linked you to, it's very similar but much better. If we give you tips and improve your current build it will end up looking like the wiki builds already posted (this is what happened with my original unique hammer build), so it would be faster for you to just become an expert in playing the standard hammer bar before coming up with your own. Devhammer --> KD locks unprotted targets for like 60% of the time, inflicts weakness on melees Magehunter's --> Deadly to Guardian spamming monks, harder to use than Dev but interesting Earthshaker --> Only useful in a large group of enemies, where it shines Backbreaker --> Long duration KD but end result is worse than dev Enraged Smash --> Turbo Bull's Strike, fuels costant hammer bash spam, energy intensive Last edited by Lux Aeterna; Oct 26, 2009 at 09:26 PM // 21:26..

Oct 27, 2009, 02:32 PM // 14:32	#14
imnotyourmother Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: in a house Guild: The Knitters Guild Profession: W/R	I have never used Hammer Bash in Pre-Searing cause I never even thought that there is a skill there. turns out..there is! Well my lvl 19 war with lvl 19 Fire imp in pre using a Glacial Blade of Charrslaying 15-22 damage +18% Vrs Charr and a Tall shield with 12 armor +28 Heath and +9 Armor vs Charr with a lvl 20 strider has never used Hammer Bash cause it must be useless in preseaing compared to the synergy of Gash and sev art and frenzy. So what is not mentioned still, and my main complaint about the Hammer builds is 1) Very slow attack time = Less DPS 2) High Adren Costs and slow build up because of 1) 3) Interrupts - http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ancestor%27s_Visage Yes Hammer has the highest possible damage at 35 compared to axe and sword. But you have to be ALIVE to use it. So to answer the Original question about PVP build for war is... I do not know. I have died many times with much frustration trying to stay alive long enough in AB to get to use the Elite skill. I have tried all of the PVX builds and then settled on sword and tank builds (health above 1200) I have a tank build that I made that I can give you for PvP. Everyone will start to attack you at first, then when your heath pops to over 1200 everyone will just leave you alone. I normally use my tank build to slow down the other teams shrine capers by teasing them into attacking me as I run directly at them. I can stay alive for about 45 seconds and transfer my conditions to them as I run Necro secondary and use plague sending to stop my bleeding. This is very effective cause the other 3 in my group can kill the foes as I hold the agro. This is a Killer build in PvE to I just run in.. stand there...and watch everything die as my team mashed everything. After a few games of AB with this build 99% of the people will not even attack me and that is when I change my build for some killing fun with a sword build. Last edited by imnotyourmother; Oct 27, 2009 at 02:40 PM // 14:40.. Reason: addition

Oct 26, 2009, 06:44 AM // 06:44	#2
turbo234 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: WI Profession: Mo/	it would help if you would post the build otherwise this would just be considered asking for a build.

Oct 26, 2009, 06:57 AM // 06:57	#3
Lux Aeterna Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: RAH Guild: Close Enough [XVII] Profession: W/A	http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:W/an...Hammer_Warrior http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:W/an..._Smash_Warrior Um any hammer build you make is going to end up looking like those, also Earthshaker is pretty terrible in pvp except for HA. Protector's strike is my favorite optional by far.

Oct 26, 2009, 07:53 AM // 07:53	#4
Kendil Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sweden	The warrior specific section of the campfire can probably help you more, I think this thread belongs there. (link=http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=210) Anyways it will help a lot if you post your current build. Dev hammer work wonders (at least for RA, but I can imagine it works on many places, as I've seen it in GvG, AB etc. thought, I havn't tested).

Oct 26, 2009, 04:40 PM // 16:40	#5
imnotyourmother Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: in a house Guild: The Knitters Guild Profession: W/R	It takes way to long for the adren to build up for a great hammer build. When I tried this and I would just get ready to use my elite skill... BAM I get interrupts all over the place. I would just die and it would bite. The attack speed of the hammer is the slowest of all the weapons. Its a horrible death trying to get adren and yelling at the screen, "MAD UOY MAD UOY" (reverse the letters.. you get the idea... The high damage output looks good but the end result is pathetic. I never once knocked anyone down. So I changed to ele shrine Blaster

Oct 26, 2009, 07:17 PM // 19:17	#8
Lexi Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Oct 2009 Profession: W/	Sorry i should posted my skills! Earth shaker crushing blow enraging charge bulls strike counter blow (i'd like to lose this too) For Great Justice (saw pvp version...) belly smash also healing breeze. yes i know this is bad. i stopped using if for a bit then went back to it. It seems no one expects me to have it or use it so i have got away with it a lot. Saved my butt. I also use this build for PvE and love it, got bored and wondered over to PvP and realized it could use some help/input. Esp since i may be in pvp more often now! feel free to rip it apart, i see i need it! moreover, i agree with you guys, a warrior is only as good as the one controlling it. i rather love my hammer build. i did win a few and hold my own in PvP but i know it can be better. I also dont mind how slow the hammer is, i have a pimped out one. I can post it later. Right now im at work and did this off memory, no GW here!

Oct 26, 2009, 07:18 PM // 19:18	#9
Lexi Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Oct 2009 Profession: W/	i also did post this in the other one...didnt see that one before. New here sorry!

Oct 27, 2009, 01:12 PM // 13:12	#11
imnotyourmother Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: in a house Guild: The Knitters Guild Profession: W/R	So um, I see that people are ganging up on my post saying that I do not know how to run my war. MagmaRed at least said that it attacks slower but what no one has said is about the interrupts. All it takes is one and your buggered. I got my build off of the PVX but because everyone can see your skills as you fight in AB or JQ they just wait and see your hammer elite and then interrupt you right there. I never got enough adren to use my hammer. the attack time is pathetic, You will never kill a ranger or a assassin. A sword build is way better or even an axe build. If hammer builds were so great they would atleast have had a hammer skill in presearing. This is what I would like to see, go and try their builds in AB or JQ and see if you can actually get the elite skill off on a foe. you might be able to get it off on an ele but if they use one just one lightning bolt on you...your interrupted and your build is now useless as you have to build up that adren all over agian. To waste 2 skill slots on adren just to try and get enough to get that elite off should tell you something. What other profession do you see that with just to make a weapon work? NONE. Also once they see that hammer...they flock RIGHT TO YOU. They are like.. look noob using a hammer build. Try this again then if they say that the war hammer build is so great. Go in and look for a war on the opposite side and just watch their skills. I will bet you 100K that they are not..NOT using a hammer build cause they are way to easy to interrupt, require way to much adren and attack way to slowly. Try and kill a hydra with a hammer in hard mode. Why do you think that there are so many sins and ele in the pvp areas? Cause they can do Massive damage in a short amount of time. Before you even get enough adren the ele has you knocked down and your just dead...and they are standing above your pathetic corpse dancing on your head laughing at your stupidity.

Oct 27, 2009, 02:08 PM // 14:08	#12
MagmaRed Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Our Crabs Know True [LOVE] Profession: R/	Yeah, I've never had a Hammer Warrior destroy me in AB with Devastating or Mage Hunters. And nobody in GvG would use a hammer.... Wait.... those statements are all lies..... Hammer is very powerful. You just need to know how to use it. If you get interrupted you don't know how to use it very well. The problem is that Axe and Sword builds generally require less 'skill' to run. Hammer has several knockdown options, but many of them have clauses like "must be weakened" or "lose all adrenaline". This means you need to know when to use which skills. That doesn't even take into consideration quarterknocking.

Oct 27, 2009, 03:27 PM // 15:27	#16
imnotyourmother Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: in a house Guild: The Knitters Guild Profession: W/R	So, there you go OP. Here is the information that you requested. Just ignore my posts and do what the others suggested. GL & HF